When life goes up in flames đ„
How to navigate (and embrace!) uncertainty with Maddie Burton
When tragedy strikes, how do you transform what remains into something beautiful?
Itâs been nine years since my husbandâs cancer diagnosis, the death of my father-in-law, and my end of my career as an emergency planner. While I donât wish these events on anyone, I can say with confidence that without them, itâs likely
wouldnât exist.So when I stumbled across
âs , it felt like I had found a kindred spiritâanother Type A (financial) planner who had experienced loss and felt called to document her lessons learned for the benefit of others dealing with their own life transitions. On the latest interview for , Maddie and I discuss:The four key skills she adopted while handling her motherâs end-of-life care, divorce, and job loss (and which ones she deems her superpower and kryptonite)
How faux fur blankets remind her to live in better balance between today and tomorrow.
Why âgood financial investmentsâ are different for everyone, and what to consider when planning for your future.
How to Navigate Uncertainty with Maddie Burton
WRITE đ©âđ» (7:20)
After Maddie separated from her husband, her motherâs cancer returned, quickly leading to hospice care and her passingâand then the termination of Maddieâs job three weeks later. To cope with her grief, she started publishing personal essays on
, eventually landing a feature on Substack Reads.[I write] about uncertainty from a place of being a student, notânot as someone whoâs figured it all out, but as someone whoâs learning how to embrace it.
LIFE đĄ (4:55)
In addition to being a writer and ex-financial planner, Maddie considers herself a student of web development and design, an athlete* (specifically, running and weight-lifting), cat mom, girlfriend, daughter, and sister. Sheâs a seven-year resident of the Pacific Northwest, but also holds strong ties to Chicago (her hometown) and Washington D.C. (where she went to college.)
BALANCE đ
After working as a financial planner and realizing her 68-year-old mom would barely reap the financial benefits of her retirement savings, Maddie concluded that itâs important to give gifts to Present Selfâwhile ensuring it doesnât inflict harm to your Future Self.
[Evolutionarily], weâre always thinking about what could go wrong, but we so
rarely consider, âWhat ways could things go right?â
PARTING ADVICE đ (59:56)
For anyone who wants to take on an ambitious goal, but fears the uncertainty that comes with it, Maddie points out that unexpected life transitions we fear the most (death, job loss, chronic illness) are out of our control. However, she also points out that when you have the chance to experiment with uncertainty, itâs nice to embrace the opportunityâas long as you have a certainty anchor in place.
When thereâs a lot thatâs up in the air in one arena of your life, it just feels so much better when you have Chicken Soup for the Soul in another.
READING đ
(who writes ) and Maddie just started an Uncertainty And Resilience Book Club, which currently consists of them texting each other "What chapter are you on?" and Maddie trying in vain to catch upâthey just started Master of Change by Brad Stulberg. Maddie is also reading Thirst for Salt by Madelaine Lucas when she can't fall asleep, which has been a lovely reward for her insomnia.STREAMING âŻ
It's awards season, and based on the movies sheâs seen so far, Maddie is rooting for Past Lives and Anatomy of a Fall to take home armfuls of Oscars! Maddie also just finished the TV series Loudermilk.
COOKING
Maddie and I bonded over our love of the Instant Pot, and these two protein-rich recipes have been essential to her diet since taking up weight-lifting: chipotle-honey chicken tacos, and chicken tortellini soup. Sheâs embarrassed to go on record recommending cheap plastic stuff from Amazon, but finds this chicken shredder to be ridiculously useful.
To learn more about Maddieâs work on grief, loss, and uncertainty, make sure to subscribe to
, which she updates weekly-ish.Hope you enjoyed this episode,
Sophia :)
P.S. Itâs been months since I spoke with
and Iâm still amazed at how well her journaling technique worksâmy latest parenting hack is jotting down scene ideas while my daughter splashes in the bathtub. In case you missed it, hereâs the interview.
This was an excellent conversation, Sophia and Maddie! I have to give it another listen to pick up on all the topics discussed. Although I will say Maddie that you are probably further along in the book now! I briefly derailed...
Thank you to both of you for speaking so honestly and giving your learnings and experience so generously. Hard times can be such merciless teachers. It makes it easier to stomach to not do it alone. Thank you for keeping me company :)